Mail Ballot Fraud Never Happens… Wait, What?

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We’re in bizarre times.

The United States Congress went back into session to pass dead-end legislation regarding the United States Postal Service (which, in case you’re young or have forgotten, has been struggling with budget issues for decades), on the seemingly baseless conspiracy premise that President Trump is trying to create problems with the elections, which itself is based on the seemingly baseless premise that a population that has been shopping, going to beaches, holding protests, and so on, cannot be expected to vote in person, for the most part.

Another assertion that is also tangled into the rhetorical mess is that vote fraud is not an issue of concern.  So, to place the thinking in conceptual order:  Voter fraud is not an issue, and COVID-19 is too much of a danger to expect the masses of people to vote in person, therefore we the Post Office must be prepared for something like an all-mail election, so budget-related changes in the Post Office indicate an attempt by the President of the United States to create the specter of voter fraud in a mail-ballot election.

Except:

A New Jersey election has been invalidated by a judge, and a new election has been ordered to be held, due to rampant mail-in voter fraud.

On Wednesday, State Superior Court Judge Ernest Caposela ruled that the election for a Paterson City Council seat had been irreversibly tainted. A new election has been ordered to take place in November.

Even if the U.S. Postal Service were an historically tip-top operation with no budget challenges at all, the prospect of a presidential election conducted primarily via mail would require an asterisk regarding the outcome.  Partisans and the news media can repeat that there’s no evidence of voter fraud until they’re blue in the face, but I’d venture to estimate that a majority of Americans would be suspicious.



  • Lou

    “…the seemingly baseless conspiracy premise that President Trump is trying to create problems with the elections…” ? Maybe you haven’t been following the news lately (unlikely), or maybe you are just ignoring what you don’t want to see.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/five-ways-trump-and-gop-officials-are-undermining-the-election-process/

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/08/16/us/election-trump-vs-biden

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-is-trying-to-undermine-legitimacy-of-the-2020-election-2020-7

  • Rhett Hardwick

    Anyone who doubts the possibility of fraud need only look to the Kennedy-Nixon results in Illinois. I have often thought the Kennedy Memorial Library should have been built in a Chicago graveyard.

    • Christopher C. Reed

      C’mon man…on any given day, the USPS runs about 180MM 1st class pieces without having a cow. Just how many fake mail ballots are the Democrat media hoping for? As Mayor Daley would’ve said, as many as it takes.
      #OrangeManBadFakeRussianMailbot

      • Rhett Hardwick

        C’mon man…How often have you heard of the 50,000 pieces of mail stuffed under a bridge, or similar?

  • ShannonEntropy

    It’s pretty common knowledge that voter fraud by mail ballot in Li’l Rhody happens on a regular basis

    Remember Matiello in 2016 losing the in-person vote but confidently predicting the mail ballots would win it for him ?? Hmmm… how did he know that ??

    https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20161110/frias-alleges-pervasive-mail-ballot-fraud-by-mattiello-campaign

    Then of course there’s Buddy:

    “Rhode Island has had extensive mail ballot fraud in its history, as detailed by former Providence Mayor Vincent ‘Buddy’ Cianci Jr. in his book, ‘Politics and Pasta.’”

    In that book, Cianci explained how operatives persuaded voters to have their mail ballots sent directly to Griffin’s headquarters.

    “When the ballots arrived, he might have taken them to the people who requested them. It’s possible I was told that his people were so nice they would actually help people fill out their ballots. And if, for example, they didn’t want to vote for Mayor Cianci, they would happily put an ‘X’ right next to his name.”

    Cianci also described how Griffin, at one point, presented him with 3,200
    unmarked absentee ballots and told him: “They can all be yours.”

    On page 138, the late mayor-turned-felon-turned-radio talk show host
    wrote: Griffin “had a bit of trouble differentiating between an absentee
    voter and a fictitious one.”

    https://www.providencejournal.com/news/20200728/judge-backs-suspension-of-witness-requirements-for-mail-ballots

    So for Lou to try to distract from all this with his “Orange Man Bad” schtick is ludicrous

    My birthday is right around election day so I’m often on vacation out of town or even the country then so I often vote by mail. But not this time. This one’s too important to let these con artists steal

  • Lou

    It’s a sad commentary for the state of the far-right when all you have to defend voter suppression efforts are unfounded claims of voter fraud, in some cases from 60 years ago. For the record, Justin brought the “Orange Man” into the discussion with his laughable “seemingly baseless conspiracy premise” comment.

    • Rhett Hardwick

      Unfounded, does 600 indictments in Chicago alone, sound unfounded.

      • Lou

        “600 indictments”?…come on, man. That’s a big accusation, what’s your source? But then again what does an indictment prove? AG Barr would indite anyone if he thought is would please his master.

        • Rhett Hardwick

          Look it up. Over 600 people were indicted for election fraud in Chicago after the Kennedy-Nixon election. All but 3 indictments were dismissed. Amazingly they were all dismissed by the same judge. More amazingly, he was a political appointee.

          • Lou

            So that’s you argument against mail-in voting in 2020? Because fraud indictment charges were dropped sixty years ago…that’s weak.

          • Rhett Hardwick

            See it as you will, I see it as “the fix was in”. There are other problems which could be exploited. California has more registered voters than it has people of voting age. Same is true of a number of major cities. Fortunately, it is a federal rather than a state election. So, at least technically, illegals can’t vote. In the last election, NYC sent 63 detectives to attempt to place fraudulent votes, 61 succeeded.

          • Lou

            It’s pretty easy to make fact-free allegations about rigged elections every election in the event your candidate loses. We heard the same thing in 2016 and the accuser/victor sat in the White House for four year with the resources to do something about it. What did he turn up?