Friday Cocktails with Mike Stenhouse on In The Dugout

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  • Lou

    Why were they there, Glory Days? Because of people like you lied to them and continue to lie to them. After all, isn’t that what you are paid to do? ANTIFA did it? That’s not even your lie. Can’t you come up with your own?

    • Portia

      No, he can’t. He can only repeat the lies his master pay him to repeat.

    • Mario

      I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s lying. They aren’t in on the con, they’re the marks. I don’t know why nothing will break through (not even the absurdity of saying both that you understand why they did it and that it was someone else), but I don’t doubt that they are honestly deceived.

      • Portia

        He is being paid to say these things.

  • Lou

    Glory Days, Justin’s been unusually quiet during a busy and historic political news week (both locally and nationally). Did you give him a long weekend off for his efforts in helping foment the failed coup with you?

  • ShannonEntropy

    Get ready…. here it comes:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/01/09/liberal-reporter-sees-right-through-big-techs-reason-to-ban-trump-n2582855

    And to Loo and all the other white ‘Progressives’ who spend their time trying to convince the Left that they are one of the “good ones”… they’ll be coming for you too, soon enough

    • Portia

      That’s what you said during 8 years of Obama. All you got was a robust economy and health care. And NOBODY came for your guns. Oh, and you also got a peaceful transition. What does it take to convince you that your conspiracy theories aren’t real?

      • Justin Katz

        Quite a number of lies in that comment, Portia. The economy under Obama was sclerotic. It was the “longest recovery in history” only because it wasn’t really a recovery. Obamacare was a disaster that’s been dramatically watered down (thankfully), but was intended as a partial step toward socialization that most Americans rightly reject, still. And there wasn’t a peaceful transition. The outgoing administration worked to sow the seeds of an attempted coup that played out for years in what ought to be seen as the biggest political scandal in American history.

        • Lou

          You are really becoming unhinged. There isn’t one truthful claim in your post. You aren’t even trying to lose readers in voluminous spin anymore. Don’t you feel it might be time to accept responsibility for what you have sown?

          • Justin Katz

            You need to believe such things because you know you’re going to go along with the elimination of your fellow Americans’ rights and you’re rationalizing it in advance.

          • Lou

            What loss of rights are you concerned about under a Biden administration? I would much rather discuss reality, or perception of it, than the fiction of what you previously posted.

        • Mario

          I actually agree about the economy, not that it got any better under Trump mind you, but c’mon about the transition. Trump was invited to the White House two days after the election. Obama legitimized his victory immediately even though the result was a lot closer than this time and there was, at a minimum, no less evidence of fraud than we got here.

          The only attempted coup was the one Trump instigated this week.

          • Justin Katz

            The Democrats had the advantage of knowing they could rely on the bureaucracy and the news media, so they laid seeds for a brief interregnum, expecting it to be only a delay. You’re merely describing the form of a coup when conducted by the establishment. Assume the outward forms of order and lay the groundwork for chaos. The problem was that it didn’t work, and President Trump was actually gaining in popularity. So, we get what we’re seeing now. Election fraud and large-scale efforts to silence conservatives.

          • Mario

            “They’re going to fight every step of the way!”
            “No, wait, it looks like they’re cooperating.”
            “Cooperating just proves that they are more insidious than I thought!”

          • Justin Katz

            Your hypothetical quotes aren’t relevant to the circumstances. I’m not adjusting claims. I’m explaining what’s become apparent over time. I expected peaceful transition and was actually surprised to learn how corrupted our system had become. We know they did fight ever step of the way (ahem, “Resist”). They just didn’t have to do so in a way that it would make it too obvious to ignore.

          • Mario

            You also thought Trump was gaining in popularity. But, just like the election fraud claims, there’s just no evidence that it happened.
            https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/voters/

            I know, “it’s true in our hearts.” You think things are becoming more evident when it’s just the tint of your rose-colored glasses getting darker. I hate to say it, but “unhinged” isn’t far off the mark. Or, perhaps, unmoored is a more apt descriptor.

            I know I should just give up, but it doesn’t give you any pause that the same people saying “stop the steal” are also saying “masks are unhealthy,” “plandemic,” “vaccines are dangerous,” “Q is a prophet,” now “hang Mike Pence,” it’s just one step away from flat earth and lizard people. I am honestly worried that making excuses to explain away Trump’s lies has left you incapable of separating truth from fiction.

            I hope you don’t take this as sarcasm, I just feel bad and I want to help.

          • Justin Katz

            No evidence it happened? Look at his number of votes in each election. Or the RCP average of approval polls. Unlike you, I’m not so brainwashed as to issue proclamations of certainty about moving measures that are subject to interpretation. The point is that the Obama-ites could reasonably have expected that their style of coup would take him down as if it were nothing more than the operation of simple politics, and it didn’t work.

            As for your “same people” inanity, that’s more a comfort for you, rather than an argument with a chance of persuading others. Each of those propositions is distinct. I know plenty of people who hold not a single one of those beliefs and still believe a shotgun-style fraud changed the results of the election. I might as well just note that the same people who claim that there was absolutely no election fraud also believed nonsense about the “pee tape” and that men can menstruate.

          • Mario

            You can look at the votes against, too. Those are real people. It is plainly ridiculous to point to a larger number for Trump as evidence of real popularity and dismiss a huge number for Biden as fake. Why can’t both be fake, if you can’t believe that both are real? And in the RCP average, you know the red is negative, right?

          • Lou

            For the record:
            election fraud-no
            “pee tape”-maybe
            men can menstruate-WTF?

          • Lou

            “We know they did fight ever step of the way”? are you referring to some of the fringe followers (we know we saw many on display this week) of both sides of the political spectrum? I think you often assume some of the caricatures you see on a nightly basis on Fox News (and worse) are the actual people (adults) who are responsible for making real decisions that impact our lives.

      • ShannonEntropy

        We’re not talking about Obozo here… we are talking about the rise of censorship since Trump got elected. That’s why the word “NEW” is in the headline of that linked article

        • Rhett Hardwick
        • Lou

          “rise of censorship since Trump got elected”?… well, if that’s true, wouldn’t that be yet another example of his failed leadership and effectiveness that resulted in him being limited to one term?

          • ShannonEntropy

            You gotta be kidding me: it’s Trump’s “failed leadership” that got, say, Twitter to ban dozens of conservative posters ??

            That’s like saying it was JFK’s fault that Oswald was able to buy a mail-order rifle

            You can’t possibly be that delusional

  • bagida’wewinini

    Mike Stenhouse refers early in his show that the people who took to the streets to protest the killing of George Floyd as “the other side”. People outraged at the slow motion taking of a human life are to him the other side, the enemy. I have no idea whatsoever how and if it is even possible to bridge the chasm that separates us. And what are all the grievances of his side? Suspicion of electoral irregularities? Vague fears of the well known President elect morphing into Karl Marx overnight. In short who died , who was killed? What drove people into the streets last summer was the reality of the killing of unarmed black people by government agents, not some conjecture and rumor of murky conspiracies.

    • Lou

      I suppose it’s not a big step when your life’s work (and purpose in some cases) is to advocate for no government and taxes to be blinded by it and lack compassion and decency for one’s fellow man.

      • bagida’wewinini

        I get your point, but I think
        there’s room for public policy differences if there can exist facts that can be agreed on and mutual respect for all parties. Truth has taken a beating for the last four years. The effects are seen with the widening chasm between the two political parties and then taken up by their surrogates. The level of distrust and animosity is alarming and if we are to function and confront issues like a global pandemic the chances are slim for finding solutions if we don’t find a way to find common ground. My problem is that for me to move towards people who are accepting the idea that say Democrats are not just wrong or mistaken , but evil, would mean having to move towards insanity. I’m not crazy about that idea.

    • Rhett Hardwick

      This causes me to notice that no one is protesting the shooting death of Ashli Babbitt; an unarmed white woman shot to death by a black police officer. There is ample video showing her to be unarmed and crawling through a window, the other side of which is blockaded with desks and chairs. She may be caught in the act of “breaking and entering”, but she poses no obvious threat of physical harm to anyone. Why is there no great protest that a black agent of our government killed an unarmed white “protestor”? One has to dig to find “news” of it.

      • ShannonEntropy

        You think it’s bad now, just wait until after the 20th

        As usual VDH breaks it all down for us:

        https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/10/crazy-2020-is-dead-long-live-crazier-2021/

      • ShannonEntropy
      • bagida’wewinini

        I think there should be an investigation of the events at the US Capital on Jan the 6th including the death of ashli Babbitt. If there isn’t an investigation then protests could be the way to put pressure on the federal govt to start one. Remember that there were white protestors assaulted and killed while protesting racial injustice just months ago. And notice Rhett that I don’t mention the alleged illegal activities of Ms Babbitt as though that is sufficient justification for taking her life

      • bagida’wewinini

        There should be an investigation into the shooting of Ashli Babbit to determine if the actions of the officer was justified or not. Notice that I do not use the fact that she was trespassing on federal property at the time of the shooting to justify it. You’ll have to tell me why you don’t organize the protest if you feel so strongly about it. That’s what many people decided to do when they saw evidence of criminality by police officers . I’ll wait for a thorough investigation into that shooting and the rest of the events of that day at the capital